Pursuing Personal, Professional, and Relational Growth w/ Adee Cazayoux

74 episodes later… Adee Cazayoux is back on the show!! This episode is special because Adee has always been an inspirational figure to me from the early beginnings. It’s exciting to watch her growth in so many areas and for her to share some of those lessons with us today. For those of you who may not know, she is the founder and CEO of Working Against Gravity. Her nutrition consulting company has literally worked with thousands of people. We talk about how Adee makes time for herself while running a business, the lead domino to everything, taking action on your fantasies, and so and much more.


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    Show Notes:

    ·        (6:25) – Pursuing dance

    ·        (9:22) – Making time for yourself

    ·        (12:23) – Taking action on your fantasies

    ·        (13:27) – Morning routine

    ·        (16:52) – Kickstart the journey

    ·        (21:07) – Working Against Gravity

    ·        (23:35) – Protecting time to learn

    ·        (29:25) – Lead domino to everything

    ·        (36:17) – Process for developing non-negotiables

    ·        (44:42) – Thoughts on prep

    ·        (47:02) – Everyone falls off the wagon

    Podcast Transcript:

    Adee  00:00

    Hey, this is Adee Cazayoux  and you’re listening to the Airborne Mind Show.

    Misbah Haque  (00:36):

    Hey guys, Misbah Haque here. Thank you so much for joining me today. And welcome back to the show. Before we get started, I would love to point you to two places. And number one is if you’ve listened to the show in the past and you’ve enjoyed it, you’ve been entertained by it or you’ve got something out of it. Please head over to iTunes and leave a review with your thoughts. It is the best compliment that you can give, and you have no idea how much it would help. Number two, if you are a coach, and you are interested in communication, connection, and conversations, you might enjoy this course that Dr. Megan Kayden, who is a clinical psychologist, and I have put together called The Art and Science of connection. If you realize the value in communicating, asking better questions, listening, and helping your clients feel seen, heard, and understood, then this might be a good fit for you. If you want to check out the details around that head over to airbornemind.com. 

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    Today, my guest is Adee Cazayouz. This episode is so special to me because it takes me back to the early beginnings of this podcast. Her first appearance on this show was episode number two. And so it’s been quite a while since then. And I’m excited to have her back on because I’m sure many, many things have happened, both personally and professionally. And that is the best thing about these podcasts. And when guests come back on the show we have the honor of listening in on what they’re willing to share. And Adee does exactly just that to those of you who don’t know, she is the founder and CEO of Working Against Gravity. Her nutrition consulting company has literally worked with 1000s of people at this point. I remember back in episode number two, her company was actively working with about 2000 clients with a waitlist of about 3000. 

    And I’m sure those numbers have been blown out of the water since then. But I was excited to learn about some of the personal practices that she’s kind of developed from, experiencing growth as a business owner experiencing growth as a person. And really what she was willing to share in that regard. Be sure to go check out episode number two if you haven’t already because you’ll get even more context into who it is now working against gravity came to be. And most importantly, you get to hear me and how I sounded when I was a noob. So I hope you enjoyed this conversation as much as I did. And more importantly, hope you do something with it.

    Adee, Welcome back to the show.

    Adee  (04:21):

    Thanks. I’m so excited to be back. It’s been a long time.

    Misbah Haque  (04:25):

    I know you are on for episode number two. And I can clearly remember what I was doing at that time. I was super nervous. It was like this, this was still an idea. And now we’re in the late 60s. And so it’s exciting to have you back on and I’m looking forward to just digging into what has happened on your end since then.

    Adee  (04:46):

    Well, I feel  I can’t even track it but a lot probably.

    Misbah Haque  (04:51):

    Yeah. Well, just before we started recording we were talking about hip hop classes. And I want to know a little bit more about what made you start to take those classes? What sparked that interest?

    Adee  (05:05):

    Oh, so that’s kind of a good story. I was listening to Super Soul Sundays with Oprah. And Arianna Huffington is on one of the episodes from the Huffington Post. And she had this conversation about how like, when you’re a kid, you have like a medallion, different dreams,  you can dream about being anything you want to be, because you have all the time in the world to be all those things. You can speak eight different languages, you can be an astronaut, you can be a firefighter you can do whatever it is that you want to do. But as you get older, you’re running out of time, let’s say , you don’t say, I’m going to live to 150. But you do eventually run out of time. And so you have to like, if you hold on to all of these dreams, like everyone has these things that they say they’re going to accomplish, like I’m going to learn how to speak Spanish, or I’m going to whatever it is, and she talked about how you actually allow yourself to like, let go of certain ones of those like that you’re not actually going to take action on, you free up a lot of space for yourself to take action on ones that you’re actually going to take action on. And that basically inspired me to think about me being a dancer, and I’ve always wanted to be a dancer. And I was like, am I actually going to take action on this? Or is this a dream that I’m going to have to give up on so I’ve decided to take action on it.

    Pursuing dance

    Misbah Haque  (06:25):

    Wow. Okay, so what does that look  now on a week to week basis? Are you going to classes where, you’re doing this with other people or like is this on your own walk me through that a little bit,

    Adee  (06:38):

    It’s a mix of all of the above. So I have found a teacher in Austin who I work with one on one. And she does two to three classes with me a week, just the two of us. And then I also have all of the three different studios, every single beginner or elementary class that they offer in any style, hip hop, or contemporary or jazz or funk, or whatever it is, I have them all on my schedule. So if it fits in my schedule, I will go into that class, I have all the information on my Google calendar. And then I also do some stuff , I have a couple of YouTube channels from some friends who dance that told me these are really good YouTube tutorials. So I have those saved on my youtube and i just in my living room. YouTube shows on and I just will put a timer on for an hour. And I’ll just follow the tutorials for an hour.

    Misbah Haque  (07:34):

    Oh my gosh, I love that because I just started breakdancing recently, and I kind of had that similar notion where I was like, Man, this is something I really would like to do. But I have no experience in dance. I have no coordination. When I went to my first class, I was totally , out of my element and just couldn’t get the hang of it. But then I was like, since then I’ve been trying to go back every single week. And like you said, getting those YouTube tutorials on and literally just kind of practicing in my room and getting the basic elements down. Right? Yeah. That’s so cool. What does the rest of your fitness kind of look like nowadays, because at some point, you were, competing in, in weightlifting, and you’ve had quite a journey of fitness journey. And so now you’re dancing, what else is kind of occupying your time.

    Adee  (08:27):

    So I still think that resistance training and lifting weights is super important, especially as a female, I just love the feeling of being strong and feeling strong. So I’m still doing that kind of thing. So whether it’s snatch clean and jerk squat pull ups, deadlifts, or some high intensity training like CrossFit. So I’ll do that two times a week, at least, and for at least 10 minutes. So that’s the cool thing about CrossFit is like, it really can just be 10 minutes. So you can do like a 10 minute workout. And it doesn’t have to feel like it’s really impeding on your entire day, but I don’t currently go across the gym. But we are moving to a new house. So when we move there, we’ll go to the CrossFit gym that’s closer to there. Right now. Our gym has classes for an hour and a half. So that’s the classes that Michael goes to, but in the new place, it’ll be an hour. So that’ll help me a bit.

    Making time for yourself

    Misbah Haque  (09:22):

    That’s so exciting. How do you make time for yourself with all the stuff that you have going on? You are managing a business. You have I’m sure like your dancing is an aspiration, but so many things are pulling at your time. Like, what have you done to make sure that okay, you can carve out the space for your hip hop classes and these other things that you’re really passionate about and want to make time for?

    Adee  (09:52):

    So I think those types of things are for me, so that definitely is for me. I Think about it. Like, if I don’t do it, I’m setting up an exhibit like imagine some of my employees or my staff came to me and they’re like, I’m working so hard, I don’t have time for myself, I would obviously be like, What can I do to change that? And if I’m not modeling that myself, how could I possibly not expect that they’re going to overwork themselves or burn themselves out. So I keep reminding myself like, I need to set an example that it’s okay to take time for yourself. I also am super clear, like I’m constantly reminding myself of what it is I actually want. So kind of like that Arianna Huffington example, like I’m not attaching myself to goals or aspirations that are not things I’m taking action on. So if I’m not taking action on something, I’m not going to fantasize about wanting to do something that I’m not actually doing.

    So whether it’s travel, or whether it wants a different job, or whether it’s whatever it is, I’m not going to necessarily allow myself to fantasize about that without taking action towards doing it, it’s just taking up space and energy that is not necessarily or I’m gonna be like, I can’t do it if you literally can’t do it till a specific time, which most times I think that’s just an excuse. So there, I don’t believe in that. But I will then like, put it on my calendar table and like not be allowed to think about it until then. So being super clear about what it is I want to be doing. And what I do is consider time for myself. That helps a lot because then it frees up all the space of all that other stuff. That isn’t what you actually want to be doing, even though you think it might be what you actually want to be doing. So I think that helps me a lot just being really clear. 

    And I have an amazing team that really does support me, it’s not like me just like managing this on my own. But as I’ve progressed, and as we’ve grown and become more successful, it’s been more important to have people on my team like looking out for me or pointing it out when I’m overextending myself. So I do have an assistant who does help me with a lot of that kind of thing. It’s not like a luxury that everybody gets to have. But my Google Calendar is life. Like if it’s not, to the point where dinners with friends are on my Google Calendar, going for coffee with people’s on my Google Calendar, like everything. If it’s not on the Google Calendar, like dates with Michael, he will like put on my because he has access to my calendar. So he’ll likely block off a couple for a period of time. And I mean, it might seem like super business to some people, but that’s what works for us. So if it’s on my calendar, I’m going to do it.

    Taking action on your fantasies

    Misbah Haque  (12:23):

    o when you first heard Arianna Huffington talking about that, did you immediately kind of categorize these things in your head that was like, Oh, well, this is kind of what I really am taking action towards? And what I want to do and this is just a fantasy, or did you have to sit down and really let that marinate? And did you kind of write it out? Like walk me through how you process that once you heard her talking about it.

    Adee  (12:48):

    I had to sit down and let it marinate. Because there’s certain things that I like, I don’t want to give up on that dream. But at the same time, I’m not doing anything towards making that happen. So it was like, it’s definitely super conflicting. I mean, I still think I have to marinate on it. Like I want to learn how to speak Spanish, but I’m doing nothing towards taking action to do that. So yeah, I still had to really sit down and I listed out all of these things that I’ve said that I want to do, like travel the world or do things like XYZ, and really assess if I’m going to let that take up space in my mind.

    Morning routine

    Misbah Haque  (13:27):

    When you were on the last time, I asked you about your morning routine, and you mentioned how you didn’t really have one until recently when we talked that last time and since then, I’ve listened to some of the podcasts you’ve been on. And I don’t know if you still use that perfect day formula, or actually, you recommended that book to me. And I ended up actually listening to it and like using it. It’s something I revisit from time to time. How big of a role has that played in the way that you kind of categorize your time and your thoughts and things like that?

    Adee  (14:02):

    It’s like a clear distinction between when I do a morning routine and what I don’t like. It’s the difference between being on offense or being on defense. And when I do participate in some level of a morning routine. I think this can be overwhelming or daunting for a lot of people like it doesn’t have to be super intense. But there’s certain non-negotiables for me like I’ve talked about this a million times like I make my bed every single morning. Even if I’m in a hotel room, I meditate for five to 10 minutes every single morning and I have a cup of coffee like that is and I do all of that before I text my cell phone. So those things are non-negotiable. I mean, the coffee is kind of negotiable. It depends on the day, but I guess those three things are to make my bed and meditate before I touch my phone. Those are non-negotiable. 

    And if I don’t do it, I’m trying to catch up with the day. Like I’m trying like I used to time exactly how much I could snooze, and then exactly how much time I would have to get ready to get out the door to get in the car to get to work. And then you’re kind of rushing, you’re like all in the last minute. And that whole energy just like, you get to work and you need like 30 minutes to even calm down from that rush before you can even get into the groove of working. Now I love the feeling of easing into the day.

    And if that means waking up a little bit earlier or not snoozing, then that’s what I do. It’s huge, it’s like a huge lesson I have to keep reminding myself because it’s mundane. And nobody wants to wake up without snoozing like that. Snoozing is luxurious like an extra couple of minutes is like an indulgence. But it’s like not eating a whole pint of Ben and Jerry’s like it takes discipline. And like he talks about in the perfect day formula discipline is going to equal freedom.

    Misbah Haque  (15:52):

    What was that transition?vDid you have a moment where you were just like,  I need to get on point with my morning routine. And then it just stuck from that point, or was this kind of over time a process that developed over the course of months or weeks.

    Adee  (16:08):

    I think it’s still a process like I still fall off the wagon, and I still have to remind myself to get back on. But there’s been periods of time where I haven’t done it for like four weeks in a row. And I actually feel like it’s affecting my relationships. And just working on building self awareness. I’m noticing those things like I’m noticing I’m being snappier in my relationships, or I’m noticing my work quality is not as good. And I’m like, what’s different. And that is something that I know is tangible, and actually tactical that I can incorporate in my life that provides some level of discipline which can help me leak that into every other aspect of my life. But I think everything in life is like, nothing is all the time or none of the time.

    Kickstart the journey

    Misbah Haque  (16:52):

    It goes in like waves or peaks and valleys. Cuz you told me the story about the time that I think you were in Canada, and you left to make that trip out to Travis Mash’s gym, and I feel like that, and maybe there was another moment. But I feel like that was kind of the catalyst or the beginning of this journey that you kind of ventured out on which you got there. And six months later, or a year later, then eventually working against gravity was an idea. And then that trickled into other things. And then you ventured out into San Diego and then from San Diego to Dallas, but  that moment where you may have left home, and decided, hey, I’m going to Travis smashes a gym,  what did that look like?

    Adee  (17:38):

    It started six months before that. I was at John North Gym in North Carolina, I think it was, I think it was North Carolina. And we had visited his gym in December, like over winter break from school. And I met Travis Mash there. And Travis was like, come out for the summer. Like, I love to have you here like, I’ll find you a place to stay, I’ll give you a job. Like he made all these promises. And then for the next six months, I wouldn’t return my email. And I mean, he would return like once every once in a while, but he wasn’t he definitely wasn’t really trying to help me get a job or like to do any of that. Right. And he had a lot going on to like not nothing against Travis like he’s, I love him so much. 

    And I would do anything for that guy. But he did so during the summer like I had taken action myself to find a place to stay. So I had a friend who we were staying with. And I was like, well, let’s just go like what’s the worst-case scenario like we show up at the gym, and he tells us to come back. Like, we’ll just come back. Like it’s really not that big of a deal. It’s summertime. We’re out of school. I don’t really have luck. I was young like I didn’t have that many responsibilities. I didn’t have kids. I didn’t have all of these reasons stacked up to stop me. So I didn’t have a lot of things that could have stopped me from actually doing it. And I just showed up at his gym, and I was like “hey”.

    Misbah Haque  (19:03):

    Then what did it look like? Did he give you a job and it was all..

    Adee  (19:07):

    He was so pumped. I mean if anyone knows Travis he was like, Let’s go like let’s do this he was just super excited. Like it was just like the planning ahead of time was just was not what he was gonna do for me. But he was super excited that I was there and loved that I took the initiative to drive out there and I ended up staying at a member of his Jim’s like double-wide trailer on their form. And we stayed there until we ended up peeling shrimp for them for cash. We ended up coaching at his gym for some money to like, it all just ended up working out and it was four months of so much fun. It was just I mean, he’s grown so much since then, too, but back then I feel like it was a little bit more stealth. 

    Misbah Haque  (19:53):

    Well, I mean, was that scary for you at all? Or were you kind of have the notion that like, well, let’s just see what happens and you were like all About it super pumped, or was there a lot of uncertainty there?

    Adee  (20:05):

    I think about this a lot. So I am definitely, I’m not gonna say like I, I grew up in a really great family, like I have great parents who always took care of me. So in the back of my mind, I always knew that, like, if I should hit the fan, like I’d have my parents to lean back on. Thankfully, I’ve never had to use that. But I think that the safety that they provided for me is something that allowed me to take those kinds of risks without a lot of fear and uncertainty. So I can’t just be like, I’m this like fearless person who just like, totally just screw everything and just went and took these huge risks, like I did have the family and the experience throughout my childhood to not necessarily have those fears built up, which I know is not a luxury that everyone has, like some people go through serious trauma or serious struggle, and it’s a lot more difficult for them to make that leap. So I think that, like my parents, is a huge testament to my ability to feel like I could take a risk like that and not be as fearful.

    Working Against Gravity

    Misbah Haque  (21:07):

    Could you walk me through what has happened with Working Against Gravity? Since you were last on like, episode two, to like, 67. That’s over a year. So looking back a year ago, like what changes have happened, that you’re excited about that you’re pumped about? And did you anticipate all this stuff, like, just walk me through your overall thought process?

    Adee  (21:30):

    So much has changed. The biggest change for sure is our entire program now lives in a software that we built called seismic. And it’s epic. I mean, we update features to it every three weeks. So there’s always a new feature coming out, there’s always a new way for us to collect more information. So we’re collecting more data from our clients than ever, in a very, like clear and structured way versus, Excel sheets, sometimes, like people manipulate how the Excel sheet looks or change it all up, or the calculator in, it gets messed up. But it’s super clear, it’s really easy to communicate with your coach like that. It’s easy for us to monitor the quality of the coaching, because it’s all in one like a centralized system versus using Gmail, which is like a mess to try and monitor quality. So I think in terms of that, so much has changed. Like, as a business owner, I’ve been able to learn so much more like we have actual metrics on like, is the business healthy? Or is it not? Versus can we make payroll this month like, there’s different types of like, I can actually anticipate if we’re going to be able to or not. So that’s a huge change.

    We were perpetually on a waiting list a year ago, and we’re no longer in that position. And we’ve worked really hard to build up our staff and our, like systems so that if we did ever get this, like a huge surge of clients in one shot, we’d be able to handle that. So that’s changed. And I mean, this, the software is like, amazing. It’s just the updates that happened that just completely transformed the entire program. Like now we can track we’re planning on tracking different kinds of behaviors, instead of just tracking your macros like just tracking carbs, fats, and proteins, like there are so many other ways that you can track progress. So that’s really fun. And yeah, we have a new website coming out in January. We finally started doing some level of marketing, which we didn’t have to do when we had a waiting list now, like learning that aspect of business has been scary and exciting. That’s like, those are the biggest changes. 

    Protecting time to learn

    Misbah Haque  (23:35):

    There’s two directions. I want to go with that. One is I follow you on Facebook and Instagram, and you put out a lot on, maybe books you’re reading or things you’re learning. And it’s always fascinating to me, it seems like you’re always learning and going to different seminars and reading different books, like what has that development kind of looked like over the last year and same thing like how have you made sure to kind of protect that time as you’ve gotten more busy, and you could certainly be doing other things, but you’ve still preserved that time for you to kind of keep learning and growing.

    Adee  (24:12):

    It’s again, bringing clarity to like the things I really want in my life. And one of my dreams for myself is to be on my deathbed and know myself better than I could have possibly imagined. Like knowing absolutely everything that there is to know about myself. And once someone told me your success never exceeds your personal development and that has like really stuck with me. So over the past year, I’ve made a significant effort. I have air pods in my ear, like when I’m cooking, when I’m walking the dog when I’m in the car, not in the car like I’m listening to a podcast in the car I have like I’m always listening to something new. I try not to get stuck with the same perspective a lot. And I don’t just stick to one particular genre so I Don’t stay in business, I won’t stay in relationships, I won’t stay in life or personal development or self development, I’ll float between everything. I love learning about sexuality. 

    I love learning about behavior and habits. It’s just super. It’s like anything that you’re really passionate about, it’s super easy to find the time when you really, really want to do it. And I’m super clear on the fact that I want to better myself, my relationship with my husband. And I know without a doubt, there’s nothing actually nothing in the world, I’m more certain that that is going to make me more successful, as well as our business.

    Misbah Haque  (25:36):

    That totally resonates with me. Because the more genres you explore, and the different kinds of systems that you see in let’s say, like marketing versus comedy versus psychology versus fitness, there’s so much out there. But eventually, you start to notice these patterns and systems and you can like to draw parallels from that stuff. And maybe you can just put it in your back pocket like it might not be needed right away. But sometimes it might be a conversation you’re having with someone or, you’re coaching someone or it comes time to solve a problem. And now you have this like, bigger toolbox to kind of extract from.

    Adee  (26:14):

    Like the strangest things provide value in the most unlikely scenarios. Like I was listening to. Esther Perel has a podcast called Where should we begin? It’s an hour-long live counseling session between couples. And there’s one particular couple, it’s like, a female who’s married to a male that transitions to a female or female transition to a man, it was like one at one way or the other. And like, in many regards, I have nothing to relate to that scenario. But I would like to take something from the way that they communicated with each other, to me coaching one of my clients, and like, that’s just like, an unlikely parallel. But I’m open to just learning about people and the fact that like, I think the one thing I’ve learned the biggest thing I’ve learned in the recent past, like in the past couple months, it’s like, we’re really all just the same. 

    We’re all just, if you put it in a gross way like we’re just the same peep we’re just meat suits walking around, living from a different experience. We’re all the same. So ultimately, how could you? How could you hate another person? Or how could you not want to get to know them? Or how are you the same? Like, there’s no, there’s no reason to not? The better I get to know myself, I’m ultimately going to get to know other people better.

    Misbah Haque  (27:35):

    When I think of you, it reminds me of the book, The spark and the grind by Eric Wahl. And it’s a book on creativity that I found really fascinating. Ever since reading, I think it’s the War of Art by Steven Pressfield. This is kind of like a more modern approach to explaining, like, somebody who is super, super creative, but let’s say not as disciplined, or on the other end, who’s super disciplined, but not as creative. And it’s like having the balance of both real or being open to kind of stepping back from the routine and analyzing the bigger picture and coming up with different ideas, versus always having all these ideas, but then maybe not having the structure to be able to execute on that. It’s like a dance. And I feel like you do that really well, especially at this point in time. Do you consider yourself as somebody who is somewhat creative? Like, do you when you think about those two categories? Yeah, what comes up for you?

    Adee  (28:37):

    I’m definitely creative. I practice art frequently, I would burn in my living room. I have just recently taken up dance, I sing to myself, I think my job is generally creative. Like my job is to figure out, like, where we’re going next? Or, what’s the next most important thing that we’re doing? And how, like, how do we solve a problem? Most people think like, oh, here’s the problem, I’m gonna solve exactly what that problem is. But generally, the problems probably manifest themselves from a different problem. Hmm. So I’m like, trying to be creative and finding, where is the actual source of this problem, instead of just like, fixing a symptom of the problem? So I think my job, in general, is to be really creative. I think what I’ve had to work on is probably discipline.

    Lead domino to everything

    Misbah Haque  (29:25):

    That’s what fascinates me is how have you been able to dance with the two there, and really have a good dose of both. So you kind of have that fulfilling, feeling and sense of contentment, that like, Alright, I’m filling this void of creativity. And then I’m also executing with this discipline in the structure and so you have a good dose of both.

    Adee  (29:49):

    I know the people will probably hate that. I say this all the time, but like, it really is the lead domino to all of it is just developing self-awareness like that is The lead domino to everything. And it’s super as much as it’s like, vague, but it’s super tactical like just take some avenue to get to know yourself better. And then that’s ultimately going to help you notice things. Like, one of my favorite quotes is the extent to which you’re unconscious of a habit is the extent to which it persists. So, like, you just don’t notice these habits that are causing these frequent complaints in your life. But if you get to know yourself a little bit better, you’ll actually like to see it, you’ll, it’s, it’s hard to explain if you’ve never even experienced it. But you’ll notice that you’re so like, one thing for me that I’ve noticed recently, I’ll give you like, a real tangible example is, if I don’t want to do something, I’ll just immediately go.

    I don’t know how to do that. But it’s not. I don’t know how to do that. It’s just I don’t want to know how to do it, I don’t want to do the work that is required to figure out how to do that. There’s nothing that I cannot do. So me just immediately being like, I don’t know how to do that. I get this, like, racing of my heart, my shoulders tense up, my jaw tenses up. And I just immediately go, I don’t know. And it’s kind of like a trump card. Like, you can’t really argue with me if I say I don’t know. There’s nothing you can really say to that. And I’ve noticed that I’ve done that. And I didn’t notice it before. And now I’m like, I don’t really know, I just don’t want to do that. So if I can just calm down for a second, notice that I’m doing that, and take a deep breath. 

    And just like to at least start the process of trying to figure it out, you realize that it’s actually much easier than you thought it was. And there have been so many instances where I’m like, a quick Google search. I’m such an idiot. Like this was actually super simple. And I’ve probably been annoying and pestering so many people with the I don’t know, my whole life, like, just that has been helping me be more disciplined. It really is. The lead domino to do action, like action is the only way anything gets done.

    Misbah Haque  (31:55):

    I want to circle back to what you mentioned with now, it’s just not about tracking macros. But there’s different ways to track progress based on behavior and things like that. When we touched on this, I think in the last episode, like what are some of those ways that you can track progress besides just the scale? Or are those metrics? What’s kind of come up for you in this last year that may have kind of built upon that, that you found to be super effective or successful with your clients?

    Adee  (32:26):

    So the biggest thing is we can actually track right now we’re tracking mood, energy, hunger, and stress. So we track all of those things. And then the next things coming out, that is in the next feature update would be tracking how many times you’re eating out at restaurants, how many times you are drinking alcohol, how many hours you’re actually sleeping, and your hydration. So like, those are habits that people that are successful are consistently keeping track of. So we’ve done like, and now we’re going through this, like the deciphering stage of going through, we pulled all of our most successful clients, people, that have been successful over long periods of time. 

    So we’ve been in business for three years, we’re talking to clients that have been with us for two-plus years that are maintaining their success. And a lot of people focus on, like, what are people, I’m failing? Why am I failing? How do I fix it? Not I’m succeeding, what am I doing to be successful? And how do I track that? Like, I track the things that are keeping me successful, instead of tracking what’s making me fail. So a lot of people kind of go the other way. So we’re compiling the evidence of, like, what are all of these people doing that’s keeping them successful, and then we’re gonna somehow incorporate that information education, or some way of tracking it creating a streak, or whatever it is, into the program.

    Misbah Haque  (33:48):

    That’s so cool. I’m sure at this stage, like, people contact you all the time and want to possibly be coached by you, right? But you have these other responsibilities that are pulling on your time, and you’ve had to make kind of that transition over time. Whereas maybe you’re doing less coaching, or you’ve kind of kept yourself off and now you’re focusing on these bigger picture tasks and items, to help your other coaches. How do you figure out like, what to say no to, like, even this dislike podcast, right? Like me asking you to come on the show or anything that comes your way. I’m sure there’s a lot that people are asking of you. How do you decide, like, I’m gonna say yes to this and no to this? Is there a framework in your mind?

    Adee  (34:37):

    If I had to choose any framework? I mean, first, I do believe you’re defined more by what you say no to than what you say yes to. I’d really like to believe that. That’s true. And I think the only framework I follow is either I make non-negotiable rules like I don’t care how many listeners your podcast has. If you asked me to be on your podcast, I’m going to be on your podcast like Anyone, that’s a rule for me. So it’s just good practice. It’s good for me to talk and answer questions. And it’s something I would like to get better at speaking. So I’m always going to say yes to that kind of thing. So that I know that decisions have already been made. I try to make as many decisions as beforehand, so I don’t have to make the decision in the moment. And the same goes for food. Like, if I’m going to a restaurant, and I’m being really precise about tracking my macros, I’ll try and decide what I’m going to eat beforehand. 

    So I don’t have to be in front of the menu with like, people around me being a little bit uncomfortable and embarrassed by like, what do I order, but I want to make sure it fits my goals and like, like, you get this whole anxiety, you’re just like, screw it, I’m gonna get a hamburger and fries. It’s like, it’s just easier and delicious. So I try and make as many of those kinds of decisions beforehand, like prioritizing things in my life, like, my husband is the most important thing to me. So if it was a choice between him and work, he’s gonna win. Like, and I’ve already made that choice like that. So it’s already been made.  I will make those kinds of decisions beforehand. And then also for things like I’m a little unsure about if I’m not 100%. So I won’t commit to something that I’m like, iffy about, like, if I kind of like, have any doubt about it at all. It’s just a no, it’s safer. 

    Process for developing non-negotiables

    Misbah Haque  (36:17):

    It sounds like you have these systems in place. Right, that you kind of refer back to you. And I’m sure at this point, some of it may be so ingrained in you since you’ve been practicing it for a while. But how do you recommend that , somebody listening who maybe wants to develop some of those non negotiables? Or systems? Like, what’s that process for kind of starting that? Maybe what did you do to start?

    Adee  (36:40):

    I think it’s so simple that people think it couldn’t possibly be true, like, start with like, the most basic non-negotiable for yourself, like, like drinking a glass of water every single morning, before you start your day or not snoozing. And waking up. First thing when you make it about, like making a simple rule like that, and you’re gonna build this, like integrity with yourself that I can do what I say I’m going to do. And it’s really simple. And even though it’s like, oh, like not losing is not that big of a deal, like do it, then if it’s not that big of a deal, then why are you snoozing every day? Couldn’t possibly help me that much, it’s like, Well, you haven’t really tried it. So it’s worth giving it a shot. And it’s even those like, most basic, it’s like the bottom of the triangle stuff like the base of your triangle, the bigger the base of your triangle, the higher the peaks can possibly be. So it’s just the most basic, simple things like I like a non-negotiable of, I’m not going to take more than one rest day in a row ever. So like I won’t. 

    So sometimes people will do I want to work out five days a week, but you can push that off, like, oh, I can if I miss two days, it’s okay, cuz I could do the next five days in a row, you’re like, unlikely to do five days in a row. But if you change it to like, I’m not going to take more than one rest day in a row, then you’re automatically working out four days a week at the low end, that’s your lowest isn’t going to work out for days in the week. So I think things like, just really basic non-negotiables with yourself allow you to build confidence like I’m capable of actually following through with my word. We go against our own word more than anybody else on the planet. Like the things you tell yourself, you don’t listen to you. Like that’s cool, I can let myself down because I have to love myself at the end. Like, it’s just, we easily disappoint ourselves. And then also, like plotting out like the things that are most important to you in your life. I think it’s um, what’s her name Mark Zuckerberg, sister, Randi Zuckerberg.

    So she talks about things like the five things in your life, its friends, family, fitness, relationships, and business. Something like that. Maybe not relationships, but our friends, family, fitness, travel, business, five, and you can only work at three at the same time. Like you can’t work on all five at the same time. So you just have to pick the three that are most important to you right now. And be okay with that. Be okay with the fact that you’re not working on the other two. And it could be different every single day, like every single day, you can choose a different three.

    That’s like a good system. But I like my priorities. Like I know my husband is most important to me. I know my family’s most important to me, and then I know business and business would come next. Right? So if you like, I think most people if you plot out your highest priorities in life, and you actually take as a percentage of energy that you put towards your highest priorities, you probably be very surprised with how little you put towards your top priority.

    Misbah Haque  (39:37):

    Yeah. And what that does is like it leads to maybe not being content or always kind of being hard on yourself. Like you’re not very kind with yourself, no matter how much you get done, because there’s always like, Oh, I didn’t do this, and I think that might be common, especially with somebody who like has that overachiever type Have mentality where you’re chasing all these different things. And even though I know I can personally relate it is like, I did really get a decent amount done when I think about it in the day or the week or the month or a couple months, but I have this expectation of being able to do all five out of five versus three out of five. And so then that leaves me feeling like not as accomplished. 

    Adee  (40:22):

    You don’t even allow yourself to be successful. Like you don’t allow yourself to notice the things that are successful, you just notice the things that you didn’t do. Whereas like, if you’ve already made those decisions beforehand, it takes away that stress, like it’s like, I’m going on, it’s nutrition, it happens all the time like I was bringing nutrition is what I know best. So efficient, it happens all the time, as you go on vacation, you’re like, I’m going to be good, I’m not going to gain 10 pounds on this vacation like I’m gonna, I’m going to be super strict with my nutrition. And like you’ve made that choice. But maybe that’s not actually what you wanted to do. So you get there. And now you’ve disappointed yourself. 

    And then because you disappoint yourself, you keep going and you feel guilty or, and guilty or guilty, or whereas you could have just made the decision, I’m going to eat breakfast and lunch are going to be primarily vegetables, lean meats, and then dinner, I’m going to eat whatever I want to eat. And like making that kind of rule. And I’m only going to have a dessert every other day, or only one over the entire vacation. And like making that kind of decision and not going back on it. Like not negotiating with yourself. This is not negotiable. And once you’ve made that rule, it takes away the anxiety of having to decide when you get there, you get there. And you told yourself, you’re going to be 100% precise. It’s like, now if life happens, you’re kind of screwed. And then it just like rabbit holes from there, and you’re like, I’m not successful.

    Misbah Haque  (41:43):

    You touched on integrity. And I feel like that’s huge. I heard this great example of, if you think of like a bike tire and the spokes that are in that wheel, or that tire, and integrity is like every time you say that you’re going to do something, let’s say it’s like, not going to snooze tomorrow morning. But you snooze, it’s like knocking off one of the spokes on that wheel. And it’s like, you don’t really notice it at first. But like over time, when more of those spokes kind of,  collapse. It’s like, it turns into this weird, feeling of maybe discontent or, yeah, it’s just like, the loss of integrity kind of adds up. So I’m curious I always love hearing different people’s perspectives on things like, how do you begin to build consistency and integrity since it’s such a base pillar and layer of really getting anything done? I mean, with nutrition, like you said, a lot of the things are simple and basic. And it just comes back to you taking action and doing it. So like, what is that process for somebody to start building integrity?

    Adee  (42:51):

    I think in life, it’s basic like you brush your teeth every morning. That’s like having integrity with yourself, right? Some people don’t. But it’s like not something you even think about like that is the possibility for every single skill in your life. And like accepting that is a possibility. The older you get, the more uncomfortable taking on something new is. It’s just when you’re like you talked about the game like when you’re a kid there, the possibilities are endless like you don’t have any excuses or reasons or fear, self-doubt like it’s just not there. So, like being aware of the fact that that exists. Like even taking my first dance class, I felt so stupid, like, I felt so stupid. And I felt like I was terrible. And I was never going to get better. So I could have quit right there. I could have been like, this is just not for me. But then I like to remind myself of like, if I was a child, I would just go back to dance class like the integrity is just to get to dance class like that’s just getting there. 

    If it’s in my schedule, I’m going like, that’s the integrity that I have with myself. And kindness and compassion when you fall off.  I would pick something don’t pick so many at the same time. And if you have a problem with this, like really sticking to your word, pick something super basic, like sleeping with your cell phone out of your room, and not looking at it till you’re done breakfast like that could be a really simple, easy thing. And you’ll notice if you do it, like you’ll notice, but not picking a huge thing like going to the gym six days a week when you don’t go to the gym at all. Or try not to go from one extreme to another and pick something really basic. It doesn’t have to be you, what you think is not going to have a monumental change on your life is actually going to have a monumental change on your life. Like as simple as making your bed in the morning. Like that could have a monumental change on your life like you just don’t know.

    Thoughts on prep

    Misbah Haque  (44:42):

    We have no idea. Okay, so I want to dig into something like, you become more and more busy. More things have kind of come onto your plate and nutrition still remains like a big part of your life. How do you do it because this is something that I think we all deal with, we’re all busy in our own worlds, like, how do you still make the time to prep? And because that seems to be a base layer of setting yourself up for success with everything? What’s your process look like now? Is it the same as it was a couple of years ago? Has it changed? How do you set yourself up for success at the beginning of the week, or so that you can maybe twice a week or whatever it might be? What does meal prep look like?

    Adee  (45:28):

    A couple of things have changed, for sure. I mean, I have significantly less motivation because I don’t have a weight class to make. So my motivation is, weigh less. It’s cool if I don’t if I gain a couple of pounds, because it’s like, I don’t have to make weight for a meet. So that shift has completely changed. Also, I’m, like, so dedicated to my job, that it’s easy for me to skip meals. So I could be like, Oh, I just need to keep working  I could, I could deal with this hunger, like, I’m so entrenched in what I’m doing, that it’s easy for me to forget to eat. So those two things have completely shifted how I’ve done things. I’ve never been meal prep, or like, it’s just not really, it’s not really my thing, Michael gets them. 

    These two really big meals every once in a while and we have the macros for them, and we’ll pick from those meals. So whether it’s a meal prep company, or like going to a website like care.com and getting somebody to make meals for you. That’s like a huge thing. We had a lady from kara.com who we taught her how to track the macros in a recipe and she like every once in a while will bring us like a huge batch of could be lasagna, or it could be key one jambalaya, or, like a bunch of different we send her the recipes and she makes them. So that really helps. I also Instacart has changed my life. I never go grocery shopping, ever.

    Misbah Haque  (46:55):

    Oh, okay, I know what you’re talking about. Now.

    Adee  (46:57):

     It’s that’s over eats for groceries? 

     Everyone falls off the wagon

    Misbah Haque  (47:02):

    Wow. Okay, so (inaudible) has like (inaudible) has never been a huge element for you. It’s just kind of on the go.

    Adee  (47:09):

    A lot of people hate that macro Tetris or like the Tetris of like, figuring out what to eat. Like, I kind of like that. And I also like the break when I listen to my podcast is when I take a break, and I go and cook my meal. So especially working at home, just grabbing a meal, it’d be easy to sit and eat it in front of my computer and be distracted. So it’s kind of an excuse for me to step away from the computer and disconnect and go listen to something completely different, on a podcast. So yeah, I’ve never liked, meal prep, just like isn’t my thing. Sometimes I get bored of eating the same meal over and over again. 

    Misbah Haque  (47:48):

    Okay, so do you ever? I mean, you kind of said you did. But do you ever fall off the boat when it comes to your nutrition? And if so, how do you handle getting back on the boat?

    Adee  (47:59):

    I want to readjust. This is gonna be mind-blowing for all your listeners. Okay, this is just for you. So the funny thing is like, I don’t care if you are a three-time Olympian, I work with multiple-time Olympians. I work with many different CrossFit Games champions, every single one of them falls off the wagon in every aspect of their life. It doesn’t matter if it’s me, it doesn’t matter if your mother Teresa likes it doesn’t matter. Like you fall off the wagon when it comes to your work. When it comes to your personal life. When it comes to relationships when it comes to your nutrition when it comes to your exercise. Like even across the Games athletes will go through a period of time where they’re like, I’m going to skip half my training because we all want to believe that these people we look up to that are super successful, are special. Like they’re just not human. They’re not human, they have something that I don’t have. 

    Because it gets you off the hook. It takes you off the hook from having to live an amazing life and being successful. So if I don’t be successful, and I don’t live this amazing life, then it’s because I’m different from them. I don’t have what they have. But the truth is we’re all human, like, every single one. I love doing check-ins with these people because I’m like, Ha, you’re like you, you have the same body image issues, you have the same things that we all have. So I fall off the wagon in every single aspect of my life. It’s farther and fewer in between because I work so hard at it consistently. But I fall off the wagon all the time. I mean, I live in Austin, Texas. If you have ever been to Austin, I mean, there’s tons of amazing food here that it’s like, completely untraceable. So there are definitely moments where I make it work to the best of my ability and I just practice not having guilt over it.

    Misbah Haque  (49:47):

    That’s so helpful, I think for people to hear because you’re right. It can be very easy to put people who you admire up on this pedestal  they’re not human and they just operate perfectly within these systems, but everybody falls off the boat. That’s the Osprey one.

    Adee  (50:06):

    It’s  the craziest thing ever, everyone knows that you’re doing yourself a disservice by putting them up on that pedestal because it’s just putting you off the hook from being successful. And it’s only hurting.

    Misbah Haque  (50:19):

    This is a listener question. But what does your diet look on the days that you aren’t working out?

    Adee  (50:26):

    The days that I’m not working out. I mean, they’re all the same for me, I don’t have that high of an intense workout or a training regimen that I don’t need to have different food intake for on different days. So it’s pretty much the same, I eat breakfast, it’s pretty much the same type of high protein breakfast proteins,  not my favorite of the macronutrients. So I try and get a huge chunk of it out of the way in the morning so that I don’t end up with all of it in the evening, I, I more now than ever, I focus on eating a lot of plant-based foods, I focus on eating a lot of vegetables, and trying different kinds of vegetables, and trying to get a lot of my protein from vegetables if I can, from different high protein types of veggies. And it’s pretty much the same.

    I don’t have anything revolutionary in my diet. I wish I did. But it’s really just the basics,  restricting your calories in some capacity,  in some capacity doesn’t matter how, so you’re not eating random different types of calories every single day, and exercising frequently, as much as you can. And eating veggies, eating whole foods, staying away from processed foods.

    Misbah Haque  (51:37):

    And I am sure this could potentially depend on the individual. But do you think that that is, you know, a set of basic guidelines that could work for the general population who isn’t maybe competing and just kind of in the game for health and longevity?

    Adee  (51:54):

    Yeah, I mean, I struggle with that just a little bit. Like, because it’s, that’s, that’s a little too simple. Because actually implementing that and acting on it a lot more is very difficult, though. It’s, it’s, it’s very, it’s if it was as easy as being like, oh, follow these principles, like eat mostly Whole Foods, restrict your calories in some capacity, get, try and get a lot of protein from from vegetables, you’re not getting all of your protein from animal animal proteins, and exercise. Like we wouldn’t have an obesity epidemic, like specifically, in America, or Western society. So I struggle with believing that , it is a great set of principles that you can follow. Sure. Do. I think people have the resources to actually follow it. The evidence would prove that it’s more difficult than that.

    Misbah Haque  (52:49):

    Those are like your set of guidelines. And I mean, I think as people kind of embark on their own fitness or food journey, it’s like you can develop a set of systems for yourself.

    Adee  (52:59):

    For sure. I think that is 100% true. And I think what we do at work and against gravity is helping you find what principles are the ones that you’re gonna follow, like, those are mine. Those are what I stick to, I try to limit processed foods, limit refined sugar, eat lots of vegetables, and restrict my calories in some way, like those are mine. But maybe yours are going to be a little bit different. Because maybe you can’t do without something right now that maybe you will be able to eventually. But right now, maybe that’s not a reality for you. So what we do at working against gravity is to help you find those principles that you can use, whether you’re tracking your food, you’re not tracking your food, something that you can keep with you forever.

    Misbah Haque  (53:35):

    Love that. Are you ready for my rapid fires? So let’s say that you had a couple of billion dollars, right. And you had a staff of 40 people, these 40 people are top performers, top thinkers, in whatever it is that you’ve recruited them for. And you want to do something with that. Whatever it may be, whether it’s some type of impact, some type of change, pursuing a personal passion, what comes to mind for you, what would you do with it? 

    Adee  (54:02):

    The idea of having a couple billion dollars is so anxiety provoking,  that is such a tremendous amount of responsibility. It’s like, I’ve met a couple billionaires. And I’m like, I don’t know if I want your life ever. Just a lot of responsibility. I think that if I had a team, oh, my gosh, I would do what I’m doing right now. I would try and help people relieve anxiety and guilt around food and to find the systems that they can follow  so you don’t have so people don’t have to ascribe to a certain type of diet,  changing the conversation in the nutrition and fitness industry to being a little bit more fluid and less super, super rigid, of like wrong, right? That is my mission. I think I would stick to that.

    Misbah Haque  (54:53):

    That’s amazing. Let’s say you’re still a billionaire though, right? And you got to give 123 books to every person In the world, what would they be? And I know I asked you a similar question when you were first on so that can totally have changed cuz I’m sure you’ve read a lot since we last talked.

    Adee  (55:10):

    Yes, I would tell people to read Mindset by Carol Dweck. It’s just  like that book is just , so huge, daring, greatly. Brene Brown, it’s always gonna be in my favorites. That book is like that book for me was the catalyst to everything in terms of my own personal development. So before I read that book, I was not on this quest to like, get to know myself and be an amazing person. And that book is just completely unbelievable. And the third one, I would love to see something on relationships.

    Misbah Haque  (55:47):

    Was it conscious loving?

    Adee  (55:50):

    Conscious loving is a good one. Conscious lovings a good one, Michael’s reading right now mating in captivity with Esther Perel. That’s what that one he says is amazing. Anything that’s like, by somebody, like somebody amazing on relationships, some type of book on relationships, I think , whoever your partner is, or whoever you decide to spend your life with, that’s going to be affecting your entire life. It’s like the most important relationship. It’s like the center. So you got to make sure that that’s right. Before everything else can be right.

    Misbah Haque  (56:23):

    What was it about daring greatly, that was the catalyst or clicked for you that led you into all these other things.

    Adee  (56:31):

    It’s probably not as glamorous as you want it to be. But it was like the first book that Michael ever recommended to me. And he’s this, we weren’t dating at the time. And I was like, Oh, my gosh, I want to impress this guy. Like, I think he’s so like, I really like him. Like, I want him to like me, too. So I think the motivation was definitely there to like, actually read the book. And then when I was reading it, I found myself just seeing myself in her writing, not being my authentic self, not being vulnerable, not living a wholehearted life. And I didn’t want that for myself. So it just was the right time, the right motivation to , actually be present and engaged with the book. So I’m thankful that a cute boy told me to read it

    Misbah Haque  (57:16):

    worked out well. Let’s say you had everything that you’ve accomplished was kind of gone. Right? And you only had $500, and you had a laptop? And what would you do with that? I mean, maybe you? What would you do to get back to where you are now? Or maybe that’s not the case. Just what comes to mind for you if everything was taken away, and you only had those two things.

    Adee  (57:41):

    I couldn’t do anything nutrition related?

    Misbah Haque  (57:44):

    No, you totally can. But , what’s the start, right? Because you’re no longer everything you’ve accomplished is gone. So we don’t know you’re a dick has you? And you’ve done all these amazing things?

    Adee  (57:56):

    It’s a really good question. I do picture this a lot. I do a lot of like, imagining things in my life is gone, so I can appreciate them. But if all of it was gone, oh, I think I would probably start blogging about my own experiences, and just talking about my lessons and giving, that would be my first it’s just like, what I’m comfortable with writing, telling people about my own experiences, maybe creating some videos around that. Or if I was to take a completely different direction, I would do something kind of similar to like, what you got going on, something in education, more for children on educating around like, empathy and love and how to love and how to accept love and how to like, just starting that like making mental health cool. It’s not cool to go to therapy right now. It’s more like, you need therapy, like, oh, what’s wrong with you? I would love for it to be really cool to get to know yourself and your mental health. So I think I would do something with that.

    Misbah Haque  (58:57):

    I love that. Was that the approach that really was the catalyst in the beginning  you documenting, what happened to you? And then that leading to I think you had  three clients overnight going to like 83, or something like that. When you wrote for Travis mashes blog. Yeah,

    Adee  (59:15):

    It was really just about being there for people, providing value for other people, getting connected with others,  making friends,  putting myself out there, but catalysts were working against gravity, and working against gravity.com was a blog I created on Weebly. And I had no idea what I was doing. And I think part of our success is that I had no idea what I was doing. Like, I think if I knew what I know,  I would have done things differently, which is a bad thing. Like I would have had these preconceived notions of how something should be when it wouldn’t have happened the way that it did. It happened the way that it did because I had no idea how it should happen.

    Misbah Haque  (59:56):

    You didn’t have any rules to follow  ignorance was actually bliss in this case.

    Adee  (1:00:00):

    I look in retrospect and I laugh at certain things, like how we created our email list because of the waiting list because of necessity, like we had to create a waiting list. So we didn’t know that we were building an email list at the time or how important in business it is to have that, but , how crazy is that? We just magically did it?

    Misbah Haque  (1:00:24):

    This is one of my last few questions for you. But let’s say when I think of top performers, top thinkers, anybody who’s achieved a high level of success, relative to what they want, there’s always this moment where you have to jump right and take this leap. And you don’t really know what’s going to happen. Like when you take that leap. The parachute didn’t open up right away. You got torn up by cliffs, your clothes came off, all this crazy stuff happened before that parachute finally opened? Can you think of a moment, maybe it’s recent, maybe it’s a long time ago, but something that resonates with you where you had to take a leap without really knowing what would happen next?

    Adee  (1:01:15):

    Dating my husband was like, he lived in another country, he was not what I expected I was going to end up with and that was a huge leap for me, I’m just gonna i Well, we met and then he said he was going on an RV trip living in a travel trailer. And I just asked him if I could come. And we had hung out one other time before that. And that was a huge leap of like, I have no idea if this is gonna work out. I’m just gonna do it. And we’ll see what happens.

    Misbah Haque  (1:01:45):

    Wow, is this something that happens to you frequently?

    Adee  (1:01:53):

    I think if I have one marker of success for me,  something I am, I have, like, I guess a unique ability or affinity towards is taking action, even when it scares me,  absolutely scares me, just being like, okay, take a deep breath, I’m super confident that I’m gonna be able to figure it out. And not letting reasons or excuses stop me from taking action, just taking action anyways, because ultimately like you’re afraid of failing, but you might succeed, which would be awesome. But  the negative could be like, Your life could stay exactly the same. And  that would suck. So if you don’t take action, and you’re just in the same place that, literally death is like early death, like you’re already dead. So you just don’t want to say the same. 

    So just take action anyways, like, you will end up somewhere like you took action, you ended up somewhere you didn’t expect to be, but it was like, if you wouldn’t have taken that first action, you wouldn’t end up there, right? You don’t even know what is possible. Like, you just have to take action anyways. Because your intuition is telling you that you don’t want to be where you are right now. So I would just think that one thing I do well just does it. Yeah, we’ll figure it out.

    Misbah Haque  (1:03:04):

    That’s amazing. Is there something you don’t get asked enough about something you wish people would ask you more? And what I mean by that is, you are this person who is very knowledgeable in nutrition. And I’m sure people ask you all the time, nutrition advice, or business advice, or all these surface level questions, but maybe it’s like you wish they would ask something a little bit different or a little bigger. So an example is like in podcasting. It’s like, hey, what microphone should I get? Or what software should I use? Versus like? How do I ask better questions or improve these elements within podcasting, that are kind of bigger picture topics to think about?

    Adee  (1:03:48):

    I don’t want you to ask me this, though. I want to hear this now. Nobody, nobody ever asks me, well, one, nobody ever asks me like what I wanted to do before we’re gonna get into gravity. Like, this is not what I intended to do. So nobody ever likes to talk to me about that. But like, Everyone just assumes, I was this like, Girl with abs like, I always had abs. I just started this business. I always had this intention to be in fitness, nutrition, it’s just so far from the truth. So nobody really ever talks to you about that. They just kind of assume because I’m here, this is where I wanted to be. Which is the case now, but wasn’t at the time. And nobody ever talks to me about, 10 years from now,  where do you want to be 10 years from now? Where do I want Working Against Gravity 10 years from now? It’s something I think about a lot so nobody ever asked me that kind of.

    Misbah Haque  (1:04:41):

    Were you in route to becoming a teacher?

    Adee  (1:04:44):

    A kindergarten teacher? 

    Misbah Haque  (1:04:47):

    That’s crazy. Because I think you mentioned this in our first episode  you were this when you created the blog that was  a class project almost right.

    Adee  1:04:59

    Final Project For my master’s degree.

    Misbah Haque  (1:05:02):

    This is not directly asking you that question of what it would look like in 10 years, but it’s like, you’ve achieved success, right? Do you have bigger aspirations as to where you want to take working against gravity? Or maybe you want to tackle a completely different area? Or do you have this feeling of fulfillment and content,   I’ve achieved, what I wanted to achieve, or more than I could have imagined. Where do you sit on that scale?

    Adee  (1:05:31):

    I’m not content, I don’t know if I ever will reach this area of content, I truly dream bigger than is comfortable to dream. I would love to change the conversation in the fitness industry of, I really want people to not feel they have to be a part of a particular camp of nutrition, whether it’s like, eat a certain way, or eat this way, all of them work. So it just depends on who you are. And I want to empower people to have the resources for themselves to be flexible at different points in their life. Because what you eat when you’re 18, and a professional athlete is different than what you’re going to eat at 35. And you’re a mom. So just having the knowledge in the empowerment of not believing like black and white, like this is true and not true. And also nutrition is still early research, scientifically. So things could completely change. So just not staying true to just staying true to like, learning about yourself and your tendencies around food.

    I think I would love to completely change that. And that’s not the case right now. I would love for obesity to be absolutely absurd. Like, it’s absurd that you’re obese. Like I would love for that to be the case. Like for even people like that to just not be a thing Express look at the past and be like, Oh my gosh, can you believe that people were like that? Like, can you believe that we had gotten to a point where so many, so much of our population, just finding the solution to how we can affect change? And that way,  I would love to reach that point. I’m definitely not super content. I have huge dreams. But I think I might feel differently when I have kids. So we can podcast again when I’m pregnant. 

    Misbah Haque  (1:07:08):

    Is there anything else that you would like to leave listeners with?

    Adee  (1:07:14):

    No, I don’t think so. I think we talked about a lot of really good stuff. I think I would leave listeners with just take action on whatever you’re not taking action on in some way. It doesn’t have to be huge. It’s so small. It’s  the smallest thing turns into the biggest thing.

    Misbah Haque  (1:07:34):

    Totally agree. Thank you so much Adee for coming on. Where can we point people to to follow along with your journey and learn more about you.

    Adee  (1:07:43):

    So you can find more. I mean, you can go to workagainstgravity.com. We have a blog post every two or three days, which is a lot of amazing stuff. I think we have over 400 blog posts on the blog right now. So that’s a lot of really good stuff there. You can sign up for our program there as well. You can find us @workingagainstgravity on Instagram, and then I would be @adeecazayoux on Instagram where I post generally just amusing of things that I’m learning in my life. And you can look in the show notes for how to spell my name.

    Misbah Haque  (1:08:16):

    Thank you so much. Once again, seriously, I have a blast every time. You know, I get to chat with you on and off air. And you’ve played such an integral role in  where I am today just by offering little bits and pieces of advice that have made such a profound difference. So thanks for all that you do. And thanks for coming on.

    Adee  (1:08:34):

    Oh, welcome. You’re a testament listeners. He’s a testament to just like the littlest thing. It makes such a big difference. 

    Misbah Haque  (1:08:42):

    Thank you so much for listening, guys. I appreciate you tuning in and lending me your ears before you take off. If you are a coach, or you’re simply of the mindset that your ability to connect is your greatest asset, then please head over to the airborne mind.com Dr. Megan Kayden, who is a clinical psychologist and I have put together a course called The Art and Science of connection. So if you place a high value on communication conversations, listening, asking the right questions, and helping people feel seen, heard, and understood, then you might find some of this interesting once again, that is the airbornemine.com.

    Secondly, you can head over to iTunes and leave a review with your thoughts. It is the best compliment that you can give. Once again. Thank you so much for listening, guys. Until next time

    Resources we may have talked about:

    #2 – The Psychology Of Eating, Body Image, and Self Worth w/ Adee Zukier Cazayoux

    Daring Greatly

    How to connect with Adee Cazayoux:

    Website: https://www.workingagainstgravity.com/

    Instagram: @adeecazayoux

    Instagram: @workingagainstgravity

    LinkedIn: Adee (Zukier) Cazayoux

    Youtube: Working Against Gravity

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